Basically, it's an old bronze coin, dating back to Roman times, that places ideas within the minds of its holder, relating to the desire to gain more wealth. These ideas range from reasonable (e.g. 'if I buy the more expensive item, I will spend less on repairs, and will save money in the long run') to the unreasonable ('If I torch the house with my family inside, I get a massive insurance pay-off and I will need to spend less money on food). Yes, the coin is memetic, but it doesn't force the holder to act upon these ideas. It merely brings the idea to the forefront of the holder's mind, to act as they see fit.
Good idea? Terrible idea? Or does it already exist?
I'm not exactly sure how the coin is memetic… might want to read the Understanding Memetics guide if you haven't yet already.
Also, this seems less like avarice and more like extreme thriftiness (the whole "saving money" aspect as opposed to "gimme more money gimme gimme").
At its core, you have an object with a clearly defined activation and function, with no context or backstory, essentially a generic magic object. I recommend adding some more to this, because at this point the idea seems to be more of an anomalous object than an SCP that would merit specific Foundation containment.
What makes this more than a thing that does a thing? Was it created by someone? Was it ever special to someone? What might be the reason behind its existence? Does it have some sort of relationship with an important individual? Does it have a story before the Foundation locked it up?
Also, keep in mind that the site already has lots of things that affect thoughts and things that make people potentially paranoid/unnerved/crazy 'till dead. Besides the whole "no action compulsion, just thought" aspect, what makes this unique amongst other mind-affecting items?
I'm not exactly sure how the coin is memetic… might want to read the Understanding Memetics guide if you haven't yet already.
I was under the impression that the transfer of an idea makes something memetic. Guess I was wrong. And yes, I have read and reread the guide.
Also, this seems less like avarice and more like extreme thriftiness (the whole "saving money" aspect as opposed to "gimme more money gimme gimme").
It's more about having money and material wealth, and the desire to keep it, and gain more of it. Although I'm fairly certain that the 'kill your family for insurance money' aspect qualifies as avarice. I'm not saying it's good advice (the coin is sapient, but it's not smart), but it is avarice. Fair enough about the title, though.
At its core, you have an object with a clearly defined activation and function, with no context or backstory, essentially a generic magic object. I recommend adding some more to this, because at this point the idea seems to be more of an anomalous object than an SCP that would merit specific Foundation containment.
What makes this more than a thing that does a thing? Was it created by someone? Was it ever special to someone? What might be the reason behind its existence? Does it have some sort of relationship with an important individual? Does it have a story before the Foundation locked it up?
It's a coin, which was produced by the Roman Empire, and got its anomalous properties during that time. I have some idea of how it got its properties, but the Foundation likely wouldn't.
The coin was owned by a citizen of the Roman Empire, who was an extremely greedy low-level telepath/mindreader who owned a shop. He would steal some goods off his customers while they weren't paying attention, and sell them later. He was eventually caught. Fearing execution, he tried to imprint his consciousness on a small coin he had in his possession. It wasn't much of a success.
I was considering adding another effect, but I wasn't sure if it fit. Basically, the coin would have a secondary memetic (assuming I'm using the word right) effect, that of giving those within a certain radius the idea of picking the coin up. The idea can of course be ignored, but the radius of the potential idea effect increases if the coin isn't contacted (and decreases once the coin is paid attention to), which would mean that the object can't just be left in a safe and forgotten about, and makes it less likely for the coin-bearer to drop it.
The coin was discovered after standard data-mining procedures found a spike in arrests, murdures and suicides within a certain city. Soon it was discovered that the incedents were focused on antique collectors, and a field containment team moved in (not an MTF. This isn't high enough priority or danger) to contain the object. And yes the coin has some history, but most people
Another thing I was considering was to make it a group of 19 silver coins (still Roman), with a presumed 11 out in the world, but it didn't seem like a good idea.
Also, keep in mind that the site already has lots of things that affect thoughts and things that make people potentially paranoid/unnerved/crazy 'till dead. Besides the whole "no action compulsion, just thought" aspect, what makes this unique amongst other mind-affecting items?
The idea is that it doesn't make the holder crazy until death or anything. It gives the holder a thought, an idea, and the holder assumes it comes from him/herself. The coin isn't forcing the holder to do anything wrong, but the holder sometimes does it anyway.
Please collapse long posts. ~Zyn
I was under the impression that the transfer of an idea makes something memetic.
This feels like more than just one idea, though. It seems like a complex induced mindset rather than just a solitary fixed thought.
It's more about having money and material wealth, and the desire to keep it, and gain more of it.
Yeah, I was working more off the "I will spend less on repairs"/"I will need to spend less money on food" bits. I find that thriftiness is a bit more interesting to me, since greed in itself seems a little shallow.
It's a coin, which was produced by the Roman Empire, and got its anomalous properties during that time.
Going to be a bit nitpicky here, but we've got a fair number of Roman SCPs, including a bronze helmet that when worn implants the wearer with the consciousness of the former owner.
I have some idea of how it got its properties, but the Foundation likely wouldn't.
Feels like it'd make a better Foundation tale than SCP. Maybe told from the perspective of the coin? Consider it.
Basically, the coin would have a secondary memetic (assuming I'm using the word right) effect, that of giving those within a certain radius the idea of picking the coin up.
Ehhhh. That's kind of lame. Things are scarier when people do terrible things of their own volition, and as I say to a lot of people, we've got a heck of a lot of compulsion items on the site already, and adding it on as an effect doesn't usually help much, if at all. (Besides, what if multiple people were in the radius? What if the coin was sealed in concrete and invisible to passersby?
The coin was discovered after standard data-mining procedures found a spike in arrests, murdures and suicides within a certain city.
Meh. Danger is a cheap thrill. SCPs don't need to be dangerous. Why does this need to cause murders and suicides?
Another thing I was considering was to make it a group of 19 silver coins (still Roman), with a presumed 11 out in the world, but it didn't seem like a good idea.
Yeah, that's kind of a lame gimmick given how apparently self-destructive this thing is. The danger aspect already feels rather tacked-on to me, sorry. :/
The coin isn't forcing the holder to do anything wrong, but the holder sometimes does it anyway.
I'm having a really, really hard time believing that the coin would induce thoughts strong enough to convince people that murder and suicide are worthwhile while not "forcing" them into anything. I'd hope that people would seek help before they started taking lives to "save" money.
Ehhh. You might have something workable here, but it doesn't really interest me that much as it is now.
Going to be a bit nitpicky here, but we've got a fair number of Roman SCPs, including a bronze helmet that when worn implants the wearer with the consciousness of the former owner.
I was aiming for more of the idea that this coin has been around for a while, than Roman in particular. If I were to continue with this, I might consider coinage from the Achaemenid Empire.
Feels like it'd make a better Foundation tale than SCP. Maybe told from the perspective of the coin? Consider it.
Thanks for the advice.
Meh. Danger is a cheap thrill. SCPs don't need to be dangerous. Why does this need to cause murders and suicides?
The assumption being that some people might have followed the advice, and others might have assumed the thoughts came from themselves and they needed to be 'purged' or something. In retrospect, it'd probably take a cynical reader to believe that the spike in deaths would be high enough to detect.
Ehhh. You might have something workable here, but it doesn't really interest me that much as it is now.
So I just need to brainstorm this idea more, and come up with some better ones before I post in the ideas subforum again. And lurk more, since I wasn't aware of the collapsing long posts thing (I'm assuming it's forum etiquette, since it doesn't appear in the site rules.)
Thanks for the help, Zyn.
I might consider coinage from the Achaemenid Empire.
This is cool. Do the thing. Also, consider putting the word out that you are doing the thing, since I'm pretty sure we've got at least two people on the site with degrees in History who can suggest all sorts of interesting background references and lore-like things.
And lurk more, since I wasn't aware of the collapsing long posts thing (I'm assuming it's forum etiquette, since it doesn't appear in the site rules.)
Yeah, it's a courtesy thing, mainly for the site members who access the site through mobile devices. No worries. :)