Not sure how this sits with me, everything in it is correct, but the fact that you've written yourself in as self insert literal authority on AWCY just strikes me as …tacky.
Date: 11 Jun 2012 10:43
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The character of the Critic is most assuredly not a self-insert. I had the idea for a tale with the leader of AWCY ranting about the backlash against AWCY. And when I asked myself what the leader of AWCY would be like, I got the image of an aging hippie who teaches art classes at a community college by day and creates paranormal terror-inspiring art by night.
Self insert is probably the wrong word, the issue is that you've created a character and put him in a position of authority over what's good and what's bad, and his views happen to coincide exactly with your own, then he proceeds to tear down a group of straw men.
Again I agree with everything you're saying, but the manner it's presented in just strikes me as cheap.
This is an author mouthpiece, true, but it's done well enough that I can't not upvote it.
I wouldn't say they're my opinions, so much. I personally love AWCY, but it's gotten a lot of backlash lately, and the main criticism has been "There's too many articles where people die and then it just says 'are we cool yet?' at the end". It's been noticed enough that Sorts went so far as to write a parody tale about skeletons popping out of everything in order to comment on it. I wanted to give AWCY an opportunity for self-reflection.
Yeah, I don't see anything particularly self-inserted about the Critic, or anything analogous between any of the characters and any users. A character expressing the viewpoint of the author in a piece like this doesn't add up to a self-insert.
Well-written, and I agree with it, but I don't like the idea of the Anomalous Art Commission dictating the goings-on of not just AWCY, but others, like 804 and the talking atom bomb. I understand that it's a commentary, but it still gets me.
"There is no manifesto"
Thank you for that. There really isn't.
the talking atom bomb
Considering that Sad Man came out of New York sometime in the '60s or '70s, I'd be surprised if Andy Warhol wasn't in some way involved with it. And if there's any real-world artist who would have been part of AWCY, Warhol is it.
But that's just my headcanon.
Or maybe there is a manifesto, it all depends on your take…
It's well written but it clashes too much with my headcanon for me to upvote, I've never seen AWCY? as having any kind of leadership let alone talent specific code-names.
"Hey Johnny, sup?"
"I told you, I'm not Johnny, I'm THE DIRECTOR!"
"The Director you ignorant swine"
"Uh, sure thing Director, so anyways I made that new memetic field for Bobbies project"
"That's not Bobbie, that's The Designer, christ, don't you listen to the memos?"
"We have memos?"
"Get the hell out of here already Artist"
"Artist, The Artist, it's your codename, sheesh"
"Can't I be Le Artiste instead?"
"No, I made the names"
"Screw you Johnny"
I don't know if i'd call the Critic a "leader" in the conventional sense. He oversees the particular cell the story is based around, but his job isn't to lead as much as it is to, as the name implies, criticize. The codenames, I figure, arose out of a sort of "death of the artist" mentality - the individual producing the work is irrelevant in comparison to the work itself, so they just take on names that get passed down from person to person as people retire, get captured, etc.
and the Critic was its leader.
Well you did call him a leader and he does act like a leader, so…
Kind of tacky. An in-character teardown of a bunch of actual SCPs…seems like you could have just posted in the forum instead of giving it the tale tag…
None of the "bad" pieces I referred to in the tale are "actual SCPs". To my knowledge, there has never been a fire hydrant that sprays gamma rays, a face-melting guitar solo, etc. The lolcats one is close to one that was later changed.
You do refer to new kids who can't tell The Fountain from an urinal , though. Also, the sidewalk absorbing people was a thing of AWCY before author chopped them off.
Though we do have an SCP "fountain" homage, and there is a manifesto-esque document. I don't take issue with your analysis of AWCY, I just feel weird about it being in character.
The author of that one specifically says that it's not an homage to the Fountain, but instead centers on the quote about the use of gold in the future.
The image selected just happened to be available and bears a likeness to Fountain.
If you find a really good picture of a gold toilet, he might switch it out for you.
I'm sure you all know about that contraption up in Alaska?
What is this referring to, since it can't be 804?
Presumably it's the same Alaska thing hinted at in the original AWCY document, which was also implied (but never stated) to be World Without Man.
Yoric was kind enough not to make the connection explicit without my approval, which has never been provided. I'm not entirely happy that it helped inspire all this nonsense or still gets tied into it but thems the happenings.
Besides the fact that I feel no need to tie in to AWCY any time I make an artistically themed SCP it would lessen the mystery of 804 to not only confirm that it WAS intentionally created but WHY it was intentionally created. It's supposed to be a mystery about whether the thing just ended up having powers on its own, or if it was a weapon, or what.
One of my biggest problems about AWCY is that it answers all the questions about where an SCP comes from with intentional human design, which is an angle that, for me, only works when you are worried about the designs being duplicated. Worries about a new 804 being built are part of its subtext, but only part, and never something I want to confirm.
I really, really like the idea of (at least part of) AWCY? being led by a community college art prof codenamed The Critic. It meshes surprisingly well with my headcanon. I like that what they're doing is ALMOST a workshop (something I've been wishing to explore in an SCP but haven't yet).
I was ready to downvote this for the trashing of various (deleted) SCPs while glorifying one of your own, but you made some really, really good points. I'm impressed with this.