EDIT In retrospect, this was an incredibly bad idea. Let's let it drop into the grave of bad ideas, eh?
I like the idea, so I'll see what I can do. A few questions though:
- Is anything prohibited outright?
- Is there a time limit?
- Do they have to be based off of OOC SS?
- How should voting work so as not to clutter the recent posts page?
- Does this take place in any specific time period? (I believe there is some sort of Classical Revival canon)
1) Prohibited outright would be self-inserts and lulzy shit, off the top of my head. The whole point here is to get away from that.
2) A time limit for entries would be if there is enough interest to actually undertake the project.
3) See above. No self-inserts at all this time around, and no other-inserts either. OC all the way.
4) Damn, hadn't thought of that. Perhaps via PM?
5) Sorta yes, sorta no.They'd still have their backstories and whatnot, but those would be open enough for people to use them as they wished without being held to an absolute canon. So it's more of a pseudocanon: specifics in broad strokes, if that makes any sense at all.
This seems to be leaning to affect purely the Classical Revival canon, and not the rest of the wiki. If that were to be the case, this would only be brainstorming, and wouldn't really be replacing anyone. Does this sound about right?
It wasn't intended to be that way, but now that I look at it… my CR idea-mongering got away from me. Guess I got a bit carried away with seeing the CR series as a sort of as a last hurrah for the SS, and then the upcoming site looked to provide an excuse for changes on this scale…
Fuck. Now I sound like a fucking egoistic idiot who think that his scrawlings are enough to direct the whole site. Sorry guys, feel free to disregard all of this.
Ehhh…I always saw SS as the characters that you did go to if you needed an established character who you could mold as you needed, and if you wanted a new character…well, you created them.
Plus, given how much recognition SS get outside of the wiki, I don't think putting them out to pasture is a good idea.
Making new characters is fine and good and I see no issues with it whatsoever.
But there's no reason in the world to end up seeing them as "replacing" the old ones. Just make new stories with new people if you want to, good grief. If at some point in the future they happen to interact with the old ones, no big deal. No reason to try to dictate to people what characters they should be using in their stories :|.
Anyone doing anything along these lines would simply be creating new stories to add to the Foundation Tales. To even think of it the way you describe it implies a kind of canon wherein these are the main characters and here's the latest episode and oh let's start a spin-off series.
But the Foundation is huge, and a person could work their whole life there without interacting with a single one of the established characters except perhaps the O5 council. Anything could be written…
The only thing what you're talking about could apply to that I can think of is the RP's, which DO tend to use "star" characters that had already been established as NPC's that the PC's interact with. But even there, those tend to create new NPC characters in my experience.
Think of it this way: most of the shenanigans we read about seem to happen at Site 19 and maybe a couple of other facilities. So what's been going on at the other hundreds of Sites around the world? There's more personnel we HAVEN'T seen than those that we have.
Here's a question:
What about characters like James, Dr. King, etc.?
Personally, I'd love to see all the "senior staff characters" put on a one-way bus ride to Parts Unknown and never be seen or heard from again, and never be replaced, because I find the entire concept excessively silly and feel that having the Foundation be staffed by a bunch of Mary Sues detracts from the tone the rest of the site tries to maintain. I just don't find the lives and times of the Foundation's staff interesting. The closest i've ever come to creating my own avatar is Dr. Samesh, who has no consistent character qualities other than "generic researcher", isn't mentioned at all on my personnel page, and who I really only use because it's easier than coming up with a new name every time I need a scientist character in an article.
But that's just my two cents and i'm probably in the minority on it.
Well it's understandable when you want to talk about actual SCP articles, but I feel they can add a certain something to Tales, which are… Well, not perhaps "fun" but certainly lighter in tone than the stainless steel clinical writing of an SCP.
The articles are the source material, the equivalent of the book or movie or TV show that you like. And then the Tales are the expanded universe/fan fiction written around that material. Tales are anything goes. There's no reason to put any kind of limitation on anyone for that.
When it comes to SCP articles the only staff character that I really accept being in the article itself is Bright. 963 is a great article and it all makes good sense to me because it is DIRECTLY related to him. I don't consider that a Mary Sue situation, it just happened to be something that happened to a specific Foundation researcher who then became a bit well known in the organization because of it.
But the inclusion of Bright, Clef, Kondraki, Gears, whoever in other articles tends to grate on me. Saying such and such researcher is the one to communicate with about this object, or that they were the one doing an interview, or that they head up the research team, that's fine. I don't even consider that an inappropriate self-insert. But things relating to them as characters with their personality entering the article and doing things is over the line. It takes articles into tale territory.
This, once again, is where i'm in the minority, because the fact that 963 is associated with Bright ruins it for me. (No offense, Bright.) I'd be able to enjoy it if it were connected to, say, "Dr. Jack Jackson", or "Agent Manuel Domingo", or even to a member of the O5 Council. Assigning it to the author avatar of a site member just puts it squarely into lolfoundation/Mary Sue territory for me.
I know you've rescinded your original idea, Djoric, I just wanted to add that the shenanigans (serious and less so) of the Senior Staff always gave the site a sense of mythos, for me. Well-written SCPs drew me in first, but once midnight rolled around and the heebie jeebies were too bad to risk clicking "random SCP", I'd read and read all the hilarious Decoms and tales and who the hell is Bright and why can't he do all this stuff; there's a sense of core there. It isn't the same as an acknowledged canon (because "no canon" is an ideal law)— more like a nifty flavor.
What would be neat, if it isn't super-pretentious to say so, is a little more constructive risk-taking when it comes to creating distinctive Staff personalities — maybe just more guidance/dialogue along those lines, for the people who are interested. Staff stories bring something unique to the whole Foundation reading/writing experience — they aren't goofy for the sake of being goofy, but they do entertain the question "what kind of fucked up people work and live in this kind of institution, anyway?" in a way that gives the Foundation a science fiction kind of heft. Stories should be the means.
That said, I do think there's a bit of hesitation to "make new canon" to the same degree on the part of newer writers, but I suspect it's mostly because the site is older and more established now (it's always harder to do things that have been done)— and because new characters can be written so very badly.
God, Djoric, don't start self-flagellating. :P It wasn't a terrible idea, I just don't think it's very workable to try to put the old staff characters on a bus. And I'm not certain how well a contest would work out.
That said: I can pretty much 100% agree with Cellar Door's post above. As much as it makes me feel strange to strongly agree with the opinion of an inanimate object. I for one like the senior staff characters, and even in excess, they tend to help the site. I mean, how many new people were drawn in because of Incident 239-B?
"Making new canon" is something that's part and parcel of the multi-canon/metastory concept that's been tossed around as a potential new site direction, suggested by Clef and strongly supported by many people, including myself. We do want people to make new canon. If they make it badly, we destroy it with prejudice by downvoting it into oblivion, and let the good stuff remain. (Multi-canon metastory also means that each pseudo-individual canon doesn't have to worry about what others invent unless they want to, opening up all kinds of potential new avenues.)
Basically this. It's not that it was a bad idea, just parts of it are a bit misguided :P
Direct it entirely into "let's make stories about new people who aren't author avatars and/or Mary Sues" and you'll probably get nothing but support.
Why not Junior Staff?
Why not Zoidberg?
sorry… had to
Why not both?
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
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