I have decided that it would be cruel and unusual punishment for me to leave my Fallout Project Crossover story unwritten… except that I haven't got a single clue how the Foundation would have ended up in the wake of the Great War. To you guys familiar (or not) with Fallout, what do you think the Foundation would have been like up to the bombs, and which SCP's would have survived?
Hmm. An interesting question. To the Foundation, something like the Great War is one of the worst case scenarios. Is there even a point of keeping skips contained when there's really not much of a world left to defend from them? I would imagine the Foundation would fracture, with some choosing to keep up with the containment effort to give the rest of humanity some chance of rebuilding, some choosing to let go and focus on other things instead (taking control of the wasteland with the resources they have), and some others simply giving up in despair, since after all of their efforts to protect humanity from the anomalous, it ended up destroying itself through mundane means instead.
I agree, there isn't much under Foundation control more awesomely dangerous than a nuclear war. Once the Bomb drops and super-mutants, ghouls, aliens, killer robots and deathclaws go on tour, what distinguishes the monster that rips your guts out for looking upon its face? Other than its charming personality, of course.
I think it'd be fun to find the Foundation holed up with its remaining SCPs in a vault somewhere, severely diminished and insane, still determined to keep apocalyptic forces in check for the benefit of humanity. Um, about that …
Well now, I didn't really consider the other aspects of the Fallout verse, I was just going with the nuclear wasteland part.
You think the Foundation would document Deathclaws and Cazadores?
SCP-682 has apparently multiplied as a result of exposure to large amounts of radiation. Foundation agents are currently tracking SCP-682-1 through 682-15, though the birth of SCP-682-14 indicates that SCP-682 is now capable of sexual reproduction. Instances of SCP-682 are now capable of death, though immense resources are still required to terminate any instance.
The Foundation started the Fallout series when they nuked 682. War didn't end the world, deathclaws did. Everyone just assumed nuking the deathclaws would kill them, but it only increased their numbers…
Hah! Sure, supposedly deathclaws were created pre-apocalypse in an attempt to create radiation-resistant soldiers, but that's just what They want us to think.
So, how much of the government's secrets did the Fallout-Foundation know then?
I don't think they would be, since that kind of mutation would be considered normal within the Fallout-verse's science. Remember, Fallout works off of 40's and 50's "SCIENCE!" (aka what they thought was true), not real science.
The story takes place ~200 years after the bombs fall, and taking into account the culture and science of pre-War America and how the Foundation's own "society" would change through 200 years of isolation, this seems likely.
Also, what you said sounds exactly like what happened to the Brotherhood of Steel.
…oh dear, that doesn't bode well.
Well, based on the containment procedures for most of the Keters, I don't think we'd be in any danger of them escaping. Some Euclids and Safes would probably get loose/be destroyed.
The Foundation would probably continue their work, as far as they know the world getting nuked would just make it easier for the skips to finish off humanity.
The real question is other GOIs. The Chaos Insurgency? They'd probably use the chaos and the wasteland to get a big foothold of control over the remaining population.
In my headcanon the Foundation only maintains about 100-300 skips, with about 25 being keter. So, in that case, I think they'd keep going on as they were as long as resources weren't a problem
I'm not really asking what the Foundation is like after the war (I already know what I want to do with that), it's how the pre-War world would have changed the Fallout-Foundation in respect to our Foundation.
There were some horrific things going on in pre-War America. A soda company was using human test subjects and sent fruit-and-cheese consolation baskets to the families of any subjects who died from the testing (for soda containing RADIOACTIVE ISOTOPES no less). The Vaults that were built to protect the populace in the event of a nuclear apocalypse were almost all psychological experiments, and thus a lot of the Vaults were meant to fail to keep its inhabitants alive.
If private corporations were doing that, there would obviously be no Ethics Committee in the Fallout-Foundation. What I'm interested in is things like this, how the culture and science of the Fallout universe would have changed how the Foundation worked in the pre-War days. The science of the Fallout-verse is very… different, and that could mean that some things that our Foundation calls SCPs would be normal to the Fallout-Foundation.
Really, 682 would just get out and slaughter everybody.
I know next to nothing about Fallout, but here's my two cents. What if the nuclear wasteland was because of 682. He got out and did what he does best. For some reason, we couldn't contain him, so we thought, "Why the hell not? We've got nothing to lose," and nuked the world. 682 is missing or presumed dead, and, Voilá! Fallout.
But then that breaks the Fallout canon into tiny shards :/
I want to incorporate the Foundation into the Fallout-verse, not replace Fallout canon with the Foundation.
As I said, I know jack about Fallout.
What if the nuclear wasteland was because of 682. He got out and did what he does best. For some reason, we couldn't contain him, so we thought, "Why the hell not? We've got nothing to lose," and nuked the world.
There is literally no possible situation involving 682 escaping on its own where this would be necessary, and more importantly, the Foundation isn't that retarded.
EDIT: Hell, we don't even /need/ a nuke to contain it. Ten or so well armed people are capable of taking it down, and IIRC testing with nukes was specifically denied.
Seriously, 682 isn't very dangerous. There may be some SCP where nuking the world is preferable to a full-scale containment breach, but even the Foundation may not be able to go through with that one.
In all seriousness, though, here's how I think the Foundation would go in the Fallout-universe.
First, a little about my personal head-canon for the Foundation. The way I see it, the Foundation started out as a normal containment facility for really dangerous objects. You know, stuff that can be explained, but still needs to be kept away from the public at large. More of a general containment facility than anything else. The point at which it became the SCP Foundation we know was with the discovery of 173; something really dangerous that they just couldn't explain, and couldn't entrust to any other organization, not even the government to which they reported. So the Foundation broke away, and started evolving into the one we know and write for on the site.
What I'm thinking is that in the Fallout universe, that breaking point never happened. Perhaps several SCPs were still in containment, like 682 or 914, but given that Fallout seems to run more on 1950s SCIENCE on crack instead of any sort of normal science, they fall more into the just plain dangerous class instead of the anomalous SCP class.
So the Foundation never broke away from its origins, and as such still reports to the United States government. When I was starting to explain this in chat, ghostchibi pointed out that it would make the Foundation the government's KGB, and yeah, I suppose it would, but bear with me here. As such, the main purpose of the Foundation would be to gather up any threat to citizens of the US. When the war starts, the focus shifts more to the capture of either potential enemy weaponry (mechanical, biological, chemical, zoological, anything they could get away with really) or covering up government mistakes by containing them. I'd imagine the Foundation would even allow a few things to be weaponized and used against the enemy during the war. There's really no reason to break away yet, seeing as you can't trust anyone but your own government at this time.
So things just get more and more and more advanced and the Foundation gathers up more and more things…
And then the bomb hits.
And that's where this Foundation's splintering point comes. At first, maybe they'll try to help with recovery, maybe contain irradiated zones and people, but eventually, with radiation seeping through and changing things, the Foundation is going to have to admit that there's some things even they can't explain. Radiation is mutating things in ways that don't make sense. There's aliens snatching up people and landing on the planet. Mysterious blue police boxes in the middle of the desert that vanish without a trace. Individuals running around with superhuman abilities and just killing everything. The FEV virus, which barely anyone knows about, creating supermutants. All this shit in the Fallout universe that even it's version of SCIENCE can't explain. It's madness, and really a wonder that humanity got the point where the games could happen, Vaults or no.
So the Foundation, in spite of all the horrible things happening in the world around them, bunker down. They take their few remaining resources - I'm assuming they would be a high priority target, even if access to information about them was limited - and just go into the shadows, taking the old technology and using it in any way they can to contain anything that a twenty minute analysis can't tell you how it works. Supermutants, samples of the FEV virus, aliens, maybe even a protagonist or two. If it's a widespread species, just snatch it up, study it, and work on a way of keeping it from spreading too far. Anything to make sure we have a chance when we come out
Obviously, once humanity starts coming out of the Vaults, the Foundation's not in a position to just snatch up entire species and keep them hidden forever - it just violates cannon. So when the Foundation sees people are more than capable of taking care of themselves, they back off, focusing only on the really, really weird stuff. After about a hundred years, the status of normal has changed, so you don't need to snatch up as much stuff as you used to. Just anything that's so out of the ordinary that even your now-advanced knowledge can't comprehend it.
More than likely, the Foundation starts using empty Vaults whenever they can find one. They're the absolute best containment facilities you're going to get out here.
They probably hate the very thought of weaponizing anything in their possession. Considering that they probably lent a hand to the destruction of the world, I don't think this is too far out of the question, and it keeps a vital site rule in place.
They don't report to anyone. This Foundation has learned to distrust any and all large organizations, so they remain very, very uncooperative with other forces, unless it involves the capture of an anomalous object. They probably outright refuse to work with the Enclave, due to old wounds, and, due to the policies of the Brotherhood, are a touch wary of working with them as well.
As for why they don't destroy any objects, well, chalk it up to old regulations.
So that's the Foundation at around the time of Fallout 3 (the one I'm using as reference due to it being the only one I've played.) It's a bit of a shakey theory, and probably needs discussion to round out. Let me know if there's anything contradictory, or elements you're wondering about.
God, this took too long to type.
So, your take on the Fallout-Foundation is that they didn't start studying the logic-breaking things until after the bombs hit. The Foundation starts off as the American government's clean up crew, and then after the bombs fall and weird shit starts happening is when the Fallout-Foundation starts doing things that our Foundation does (aka find, capture, and study anomalies).
Except that the games explain what happened with the "weird" mutations (FEV combined with radiation creating the East Coast Super Mutants, those LITTLE SHITS at the Big Mountain Research Facility making cazadores and nightstalkers, etc). There's a logical explanation for all of it that makes a surprising amount of sense in the canon.
Well, the thing is, I was really just using those things as examples off the top of my head. The Foundation probably works with some of the much, much weirder stuff the radiation produces. Even within the canon of Fallout, there's just some stuff you outright can explain, and probably a lot more we've never even seen before.
The examples I gave, maybe they do in the early days of the aftermath. But once you get to 200 years afterwards, the radiation and all the other stuff has given them much bigger fish to fry.
(Also, a lot of SCPs probably got out when the bombs hit, so they'd need to gather up sufficient resources to get those things back.)
(Imagine irradiated 682.)
So the question here is which SCPs would have escaped? I'm trying to use one site, preferably one that had a lot of the Foundation canon characters in it and I might end up using Dr. Bright as a character if I get Bright's permission to do so.
Actually, would each site have gone into their own shelters? That could change the Fallout-Foundation DRASTICALLY…
I figure each site IS its own shelter. My head canon has most sites being majorly underground.
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In the long run I think the foundation will survive, however several things will certainly happen.
First I believe the majority of foundation personnel will escape the initial Armageddon by simply remaining in the secure facilities. An interesting twist would be if Vault-Tec was another front of the foundation, which uses containment knowledge from decades of foundation work to keep safe from the bombs. Considering that many of the vaults were set up as social experiments, I find it plausible that the Foundation would set these experiments up in the first place.
After the bombs drop the foundation would probably have their hands full. All of the new beasties and mutants running around the wasteland could spark action on their part, but they would soon realize that this is simply the new world they live in and cannot contain it all. Many sites, primarily those that contain safe and Euclid class objects would eventually be abandoned for some reason or another, their inhabitants escaping to the wasteland becoming just another one of the murderous things out there. After all that has happened, most people would probably not question what the hell they just saw.
Keter facilities would certainly continue their dangerous task. Letting whatever they are containing out could be potentially worse than 3 more nuclear wars. Some would certainly be forced to detonate their warheads or the objects they are containing will certainly escape.
The Foundation would have trouble remaining secretive in this new environment and the scattered remnants of the Foundation would get drawn into the various factions of the wasteland. Each faction would certainly use certain SCPs to gain control and the Foundation wouldn't be able to do much to stop them whether they wanted to or not.
In the end, the Foundation would ultimately decide the fate of humanity. One possibility is that they would use their technology and SCPs to rebuild and usher in a new era of peace. Another is that they would simply become greedy and destructive (Because war, war never changes). The worst case scenario is that the Foundation fails completely and dissolves, the objects the Foundation once contained deliver a killing blow to the remains of humanity.